[Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:57:26] I really enjoy the feel of suse [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:57:35] which one? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:57:40] 10.1 [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:57:41] Join jetx has joined this channel (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:57:53] Join nomasteryoda|w has joined this channel (n=nmyoda@ip68-99-148-93.mc.at.cox.net). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:57:57] The only complaint I really have is that YAst is not as complete or foolproof as Rpmdrake [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:58:19] Yast has some bugs which should be fixed on 10.2 [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:58:35] chris_, i hope you got it fully patched [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:58:36] !zmd [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:58:37] Quit Ash-Fox has left this server. [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:58:38] to remove zmd and friends type the following in a root console: rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd zen-updater suseRegister rug [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:58:42] and you should do that as well [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:59:34] Join Ash-Fox has joined this channel (i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:59:51] !zmd [Fri Sep 29 2006] [20:59:52] to remove zmd and friends type the following in a root console: rpm -e libzypp-zmd-backend zmd zen-updater suseRegister rug [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:00:21] I got error: can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/__db.000 [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:01:01] chris_, that means you are either not root, or that you are using another package manager which has a lock on the rpmdb [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:02:38] warning: /etc/zmd/zmd.conf saved as /etc/zmd/zmd.conf.rpmsave [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:02:46] Thats what I got [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:02:50] But I think it worked [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:02:52] that just fine [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:03:01] Of course, Im not sure what i just did [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:03:23] you removed some packages which have caused 10.1 to go down as one of the worst suse releases ever [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:03:38] wow [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:03:45] now try yast software manager again and see the difference [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:04:09] It loaded quicker [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:04:40] chris [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:04:44] are you a kde user? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:05:22] Yes [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:05:37] I keep failing a signature check when I try to do an online update [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:05:42] !suse4windows @ chris_ [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:05:44] chris_: If you are new to Linux or just new to SuSE, this guide can get you up and running: http://spinink.net/suse-for-windows-users/ [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:06:04] chris_, hrmmm you are doing yast - software - online update? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:06:25] Quit Kenrrik has left this server. [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:06:33] Yeah [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:06:53] And I think I need to update my kernel to install my ati-flgrx [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:07:49] chris_, i think the fastest as easiest road for you would be to install smart and use it to get all of your updates then you can go back to yast if you like [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:08:14] as i said earlier there were a lot of bugs out of the gate in the package management area [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:08:26] !smart @ chris_ [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:08:38] chris_: smart is a package management frontend that supports many repository formats - The Guru build comes preloaded with Inst-Source, Non-OSS, Packman, Guru, and KDE supp repositories. Here is a spoon-fed howto: http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=SMART_Package_Manager - smart home page: http://smartpm.org [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:09:17] if you follow that first link from top to bottom, you will have your machine fully updated, this includes the suse update repo which gets you new kernels [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:10:07] also, there is a repository for the ati drivers, but i do not know anymore than that... and you must reboot the machine after doing the updates BEFORE you try to install video drivers [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:10:39] now go, be fruitful :) [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:11:16] I have that in Yast already [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:11:23] do NOT install that one [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:11:30] it is not preloaded with sources... [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:11:38] Lets say I already did that [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:11:43] Well, I installed the control center [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:11:49] control center? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:12:04] There are two you have to install [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:12:23] well if you have already installed smart then i can help yo [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:13:54] Quit no_gatez_fan has left this server ("Leaving"). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:14:29] Quit workingbitch has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:15:49] so you have it installed now right? close yast [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:16:34] Join ferdl has joined this channel (n=phiezer@p549906BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:16:47] in a root console run: smart channel --add http://spinink.net/up/files/mychannel.txt [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:18:30] Im working on installing it right now [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:19:20] well if you are installing with yast then you need to do what i just said... if you uninstalled the yast version then you need to follow the first link to the susewiki [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:19:45] cu later, i'm going to listen to that podcast and fix my xubuntu image which i have already broken lol [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:19:47] Quit Ranbee has left this server ("Leaving"). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:19:57] Im working through the susewiki page right now [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:20:24] Channels have 17253 new packages. [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:20:25] good deal, that is preferred as it gets you the most recent version of smart and a fuller list of sources and mirrors [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:20:27] Thats a lot of packages [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:20:52] luckily only a small fraction apply to you :) [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:22:57] But theres probably some useful stuff in there, right>? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:23:57] certainly [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:01] So wait. Should I use yast to uninstall the Ati thing I installed last night? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:01] Quit ht228 has left this server (Remote closed the connection). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:02] hit the upgrade all button [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:26] i was unaware of an ati thing in yast.... [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:30] what was the package name? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:42] did you add a repo yourself to get it? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:24:57] yeah [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:25:06] ahhh [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:25:23] you could uninstall it with smart as well if you already have that open [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:26:05] sounds like you already hit the update button, just hit upgrade and it will give you a nice long list of packages with updates for you [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:26:35] Quit pjv has left this server ("Leaving"). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:27:10] should I enable this : [suse-kde-backports] [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:27:31] chris when first running smart, you should say yes to all the questions it asks you [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:27:49] that repo is disabled by default because it is not very well bug tested [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:27:59] alright [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:28:04] I'll leave it alone then [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:28:13] I did enable mozilla, wine, kde and kde updates [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:28:17] chris, i just had an idea to use our conversation here for an article on my website [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:28:31] would that be ok with you? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:28:48] Absolutely [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:28:55] I owe you that at least [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:29:32] you are the token new suse 10.1 user and have hit all the major pitfalls along the way, i think a conversational approach to a guide would be different and perhaps better than traditional howto [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:29:43] Quit Somethingelse has left this server ("Ex-Chat"). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:30:52] I'll tell you, Smart seems a lot more user friendly than yast. if it automatically installs dependencies, its my hero [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:31:05] it does indeed do that [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:31:36] the gui on smart is not nearly as nice as yast... if you change the default view style it is much better [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:32:19] I clicked the update all button, and now I dont really see anything. Is that it just going through the motions [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:33:06] it should pop up a window with the updates, look in the lower left see if it says no new interesting packages or something along those lines [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:33:29] Right now all that is visible is smart package manager. The rest of the window is blank [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:33:58] are you sure that there are no other windows open? hit alt+tab [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:34:44] Oh, here we go [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:35:01] It was just one of those things where it had a lot of work to do [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:35:06] I never know how to explain iut [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:35:08] it [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:35:52] Well, its in the progress of updating the packages [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:36:12] excellent, when that is finished reboot to run the new kernel [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:36:44] should I also uninstall the ATI deal? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:36:47] upon rebooting, you find yast package management much faster and better behaved [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:36:48] before I reboot? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:36:50] Part ejm has left this channel ("Konversation terminated!"). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:36:59] umm yes [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:37:32] I should still use Smart for package installs, correct? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:37:36] If it has what I need? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:38:07] well it is preloaded with sources and you are welcome to use it instead of yast, but you could also use the same sources in yast [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:39:31] So all those things I added, are shared with yast now? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:39:46] no... you would have to manually add them to yast unfortunately [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:40:17] the sources that is.... they both refer to the same database to see what packages are installed, known and the rpm db [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:40:56] But all this jazz may help me set up my ATI drivers? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:41:24] its going to fix lots of bugs, and it will update your kernel which will help you with the ati drivers, yes [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:43:02] my ultimate goal is to see if I can get XGL to work [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:43:03] if i understood you to say that you enabled the kde sources then you will be doing about a 750MB download(~550 in kde, ~200 in suse updates) [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:43:30] it would have reported the size of the packages to be downloaded when it gave you the list of them [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:43:40] Join mdo_ has joined this channel (n=13h7@p508A1990.dip0.t-ipconnect.de). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:43:47] thats around what it was [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:44:08] hope you got some quick broadband [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:44:14] 500mb in packages, 250mb in something [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:44:18] Whys that? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:44:25] thats a good bit of downloading [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:44:58] for the packages, or for XGL/ [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:45:09] Im about 40 percent through the package updates [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:45:49] i take it xgl inspired you to try suse? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:46:43] Oh yes [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:47:26] Though various things impressed me right off the bat about suse [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:47:36] Flash installed to begin with [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:47:47] Quit jetx has left this server. [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:48:47] A smoother desktop [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:48:56] Like, Kde looks the same in general [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:49:08] But it has a smoother feel in Suse [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:50:00] well you are currently updating to the very latest kde packages, which i run myself. they are rather bleeding edge, but i have had no major or even minor issues to speak of with them [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:50:50] thats refreshing [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:51:10] Mandriva x86_64 had a few issues [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:51:19] For instance, Wine would not run [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:51:25] however, after getting these updates, you should consider disabling them. when one lives on the bleeding edge, you are bound to get cut eventually [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:51:46] how do I do that? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:52:28] might be over extending the metaphor, but if you dont know first aid, as in how to fix your system should kde stop loading, then you shouldnt live on the bleeding edge [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:53:12] in smart-gui, you would goto edit -> channels and then uncheck both kde sources [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:54:04] ohh... since you removed zmd and friends, you will not have a tray icon to inform you when there are new updates [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:54:25] So Im confused [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:54:35] Join skorichjoseph has joined this channel (n=skorichj@adsl-70-241-103-113.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:54:44] Quit mdo has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:54:48] Quit skorichjoseph has left this server (Remote closed the connection). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:55:03] but, smart provides such an applet and that is mentioned on the susewiki link [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:55:17] Why did I install the updates if Im going to disable them? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:55:35] Join usser has joined this channel (n=dmitry@ool-182f7f19.dyn.optonline.net). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:56:35] well you are disabling the source so that you will not upgrade yourself further than you already have [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:56:42] that source changes almost daily some times [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:56:43] Oh [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:56:48] That makes sense [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:57:06] So if the source send something bad out, I dont get F'd [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:57:15] btw, my website is http://spinink.net/ [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:57:25] right [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:57:53] Join TresOnceHex has joined this channel (n=TresOnce@c-24-10-160-234.hsd1.ut.comcast.net). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:33] this conversation is going to be condensed and checked for typos, slightly modified here and there for clarity and posted in an article on my site asap [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:37] is anyone there [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:45] Join Grigorii has joined this channel (n=greg@pool-71-100-213-13.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:45] just us chickens TresOnceHex [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:48] Join pjv has joined this channel (n=pjv@cor8-ppp399.bur.dialup.connect.net.au). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:53] what is this [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:58:54] bookmarked [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:59:27] i am new to suse and linux, so i just clicked on this program and this came up [Fri Sep 29 2006] [21:59:39] chickens [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:00:05] * usser listening to Penn show [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:00:20] chris_, it has been a pleasure helping you, you have been an ideal channel visitor, and with any luck our conversation will save myself and others from having to have this very same conversation with less courteous users in the future [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:00:40] will someone tell me what this is [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:00:55] TresOnceHex, this is internet relay chat... you are in the official suse irc channel [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:00:58] I work in customer service. When people are trying to help me, I try to be as patient as possible [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:05] TresOnceHex: This is a IRC client [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:07] so, what do we do here [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:22] TresOnceHex: chat =) [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:23] I appreciate everything you've helped me do [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:31] TresOnceHex, chat about linux mostly [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:32] thats it? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:35] Join Falcons_r has joined this channel (n=kvirc@216-67-36-61-cdsl-rb1.sol.acsalaska.net). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:44] well then, does anyone know how to get my wireless working [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:01:45] chris_, you are most welcome [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:13] TresOnceHex, do you know what chipset your wirless card uses? if not what brand/model it is? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:22] I'll let you know if the ATI files install properly [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:26] Quit manderss has left this server (Remote closed the connection). [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:32] broadcom linksys wpc54g [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:36] yeah good luck with that :P if they do not, check this out [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:38] !ati [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:41] On SUSE 10.x follow those instructions to set your ati card up http://jarpack.net/ati-driver-how-to [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:51] try your way first, sounds much easier if it works :) [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:02:55] i have used the ndiswrapper, and modprobe, but when i try and connect the wirless, it stops because of some reason [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:03:00] because if they do, I'd reccomend supplementing the article with instructions. Because anyone who installed the same way I did, then tried to do the ati install will have the same issues I do [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:03:23] TresOnceHex, are you using network manager to make this connection? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:03:29] yep [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:03:56] i wonder if it is a incompatibility between my card and my wireless receiver [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:00] Part Grigorii has left this channel. [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:20] The above GPG key has been imported successfully. [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:20] It is required to install this package: [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:20] kdebase3-ksysguardd-3.5.4-112.2.x86_64.rpm [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:20] Do you want to trust this key forever? [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:35] TresOnceHex, please goto yast - network devices - network card - choose traditional ifup method, then select your wifi nic from the list and click edit, then next, then fill in your AP details, enc, ssid, etc... then it should connect for you [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:04:44] chris yes you do [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:05:00] chris_, all of those are safe to trust, you will likely be prompted for several [Fri Sep 29 2006] [22:05:14] Well, you answered my next question also, then